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04 May 2016 16:18 - 04 May 2016 16:23 #61 by Angeliana
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Time for a little education pretty girl.

Protest:
A statement expressing disapproval of or objection to something
Refuse:
Indicate or show that one is not willing to do something
Respect:
A feeling of deep admiration for someone elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements

Here is me, once again owning my words; I used: Question, discuss, protest, speak up and share your viewpoint. I did not use: Refuse.

I'm not a victim, but sounds like you have been one and continue to be one if you have never had free will or the ability to express your own opinions freely. I regret this for you, and I will pray for you. Were you so bereft of compassion all your life that you learned nothing but hate? I can respect people and love people for who they are even though you can't.

Please stop derailing this posting. I simply asked that we do not turn to evil for an answer and try to find another way. I am free to ask, and people are free to REFUSE. I'm no noble after all, and it is a mere plea I made, nothing more. If you have such a personal issue with me, you can always face me in person. I welcome you with open arms.

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04 May 2016 16:23 #62 by Grimkjell Eirson
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I would ask we keep the threats and dueling to a minimum. I would rather not waste the guard's time arresting people for foolishness when we are struggling to survive with our integrity intact.

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04 May 2016 16:46 - 04 May 2016 17:00 #63 by Ilana Darkwood
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Oh! I know how to respond to this.

Integrity:
The state of being whole and undivided


I apologize, seems a bit late.

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I promise, this is the only scrap of paper I will ruin. The trees are going to be so angry you wasted so much of their energy to build up enough waste that any of you could choke on it and still disagree. Please, discuss this in person. We did not become educated enough to read so we could cause our eyes to bleed from nonsense.

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04 May 2016 19:18 - 04 May 2016 19:40 #64 by Lake
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Maybe the concept is escaping me but how exactly will we suffer -more- by being erased?

By my figuring, having our limbs mangled and facing certain doom every few weeks actually is hell. Not existing is kind of like never bein' born. All the babies that were never born don't actually care - do they?

The reason we seem to be wrapped up in this shit seems to be from all the witches and wizards meddlin' again and again and again.

You ever heard of a story called Hyram's Red Shirt? Hyram kept ripping his clothes working in the fields, so he took a bit off this old shirt to patch his other clothes. One day he reached in the closet and there weren't no shirt to find. This magic-meddling has used up our last shirt, a long time ago.

I ain't sayin' we do nothing, but what you all been doing for years and years doesn't seem to have helped nobody any. More folk dyin' now than when you started this mess with your sorcery, going back a decade. For all the holier-than-thou , chin-in-the-air type talking I heard from people who are magical geniuses...all the research they done back then didn't let us know it would come to this , did it?

So stop sayin' this is "Our best and only option". It isn't, you aint half as smart as you figure yourselves to be, and you're doin' nothing but throwin' us small-folk into your hell fires every damn time.

Just let us fight and die on our own terms. Not in some new bargain with a new devil...

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04 May 2016 19:35 #65 by Oren Tenderson
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I stated before, opinions are important and noted. Take the time to think before you put your quill on parchment for this topic again.

Take your discussion to a table, and drink. There are some that you can talk to directly that will bring your ideas before those that lead us. Just saying no, stamping your foot, and starting an argument makes you look like a child refusing their vegetables. Come up with other ideas, and bring them to people that have the ear of the Baron, or Fiona herself.

If this bickering and dividing of the town goes much further, we will be to busy fighting each other to survive the Nulls or their masters.


This topic should not have to be closed because people can not keep their heads while writing. Speak of new options, not just your distaste for the one you know about. I don't want anymore requests for arrests crossing my desk over this.

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04 May 2016 20:08 #66 by Corvin Ralenfolly
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You should really check with those nobles if that's a good idea Argyle. You've made a big mistake.

I'll see you soon.

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04 May 2016 20:12 #67 by Midori Suarez
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I'm confused.

Why do you want to fight each other? I thought we were trying to fight the Nulls. We're not going to win no matter what we do if we're too busy dueling and arguing and threatening and ordering and refusing and pleading and killing each other when they arrive.

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04 May 2016 20:15 #68 by Cyfihi
Cyfihi replied the topic: Do not unleash yet another EVIL
Protesting something by stating you will refuse and instead ask those who do it to stop indicates that you are unwilling to do that thing.

Once again, your "opinion" that we should not free Miranda stems from lies you keep telling yourself and others. If you truly believed we are all free to speak on this topic, then you would not attempt to silence those who point out the fallacies of your words.

Fact: Miranda is the source of the power of Evil. Fiona is the source of the power of Good.
Fact: Miranda was imprisoned in the Weave by the forces of the Fiona Argentis.
Fact: The Fiona Argentis did not - or refused to - understand why Miranda shouldn't be imprisoned (after the fact).
Fact: Fiona imprisoned herself because they did not understand why Miranda needed to be freed.
Fact: Miranda put more effort than Fiona into imprisoning the Null the first time, as Fiona was too distracted by trying to save one person to focus on the task at hand.
Fact: Fiona can not imprison the Null without her sister.

Fact: Your crops are erupting in white flame.
Fact: The day is beginning to eclipse the night.

(Rumor: "Releasing Miranda will destroy the Weave." Do you really think we were given magic by the Fey only to imprison someone they don't really care about? Sure, destroying the Weave would have been a way to release her, but the opposite is not true.)
(Rumor: "Releasing Miranda will have dire consequences." What proof do you have? Stop pretending you know the truth. There is quite literally no evidence to support that.)

This is what we know right now. Forgive me if I missed something, but most of everything else you are spewing is simply an opinion, a baseless claim.

Do you not see what needs to be done?
Release the Darkness, or defeat the Light.

I am not saying there is no other way to defeat the Null. But in the course of events that you all have chosen, there are only those two options.


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04 May 2016 21:12 #69 by Grimkjell Eirson
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You have presented these things as facts. And if so, they are upsetting. Can you tell us how you know them to be true? It would be remiss of me to accept this to be truth without at least understanding where the truth came from.

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04 May 2016 21:59 #71 by Cyfihi
Cyfihi replied the topic: Do not unleash yet another EVIL
Do you listen to the people you are supposed to be protecting?
Open your ears to the commonfolk. While you are busy struggling with your morals, they are suffering.
Ask the Seekers. Chronicler's slaves are good at their job, at least.
Do a little digging. Your libraries hold all this information, most of you are just too blinded by light to see it in front of you.

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04 May 2016 22:05 #72 by Pluvious
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Angeliana and Argyle

You are both to report to the nearest Guard, where you both will be escorted to the Baron's Manor for questioning. I expect that the second you step foot back in Travance that this be done. It is also by my order that you both of are no longer to make any further posting at ALL in ANY publication until we have spoken. This is a mandated order not a request. In fact do not reply to this posting, just do as you are ordered to do.

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04 May 2016 22:06 #73 by Templar Aldric
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Cyfihi, then you have nothing to show what you say is true. Instead you require us to look for your evidence for you. Not a strong argument.

All you say may be true, but your continued attacks on people serve no purpose other than inflame conflicts at a time we must work together. Anything further from you without real information will be obviously for the purpose of creating chaos in accordance to your own agenda. I would ask you to stop these posts and do something constructive.

Angeliana your points are made, please stop these posts so we may work in unity.

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04 May 2016 22:42 #74 by Leliana
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She cannot present proof as these are the words amongst the common folk. Is she to rally them all together to write to you personally?

I have also heard the common folk talk.

She is not trying to incite chaos. She is merely defending herself. When she tries to educate or even perhaps suggest that things are not as some of you think they are, you jump at her throat.

You all want to work in "unity" but want to exclude the darkness. That is not unity. That is not even balance.
The darkness is willing and able to work with you but some of you refuse to let it in.
The problem isn't the darkness, it's standing with it's hand outstretched towards you all, waiting to be grasped so that we may defeat this together. You need only to grab it.

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04 May 2016 22:52 #75 by Sindarion
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Wait! Wait! Guys! This is perfect!

So, you know how Visigalins (Visigalans? Visigalians?) followers of Visigalis say that he created Good and Evil to fight against one another to get stronger to defeat whatever nastiness would have destroyed him?

What if all this circular commentary and "this is this" and "that is that" and "this is also that but not this except when it IS that" and "oh I'm going to arrest you" means that's EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING!?


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04 May 2016 22:55 - 04 May 2016 23:00 #76 by Dennis Brand
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Visigalis did not create Good and Evil, and His followers do not say otherwise.

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04 May 2016 23:00 - 04 May 2016 23:03 #77 by Jack
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I will provide the proof my daughter claims. Look out your window Templar. The days are growing longer. The plants and animals are filled with robust life and are more healthy and along than they should otherwise be. Exemplars walk across the face of Arawyn again. Anyone with a set of eyes can see that something terrible is amiss. Or will I have to wait until I am casually eating a steak of one of the most pure creatures on Arawyn before this fact will be acknowledged? All research points to this being a problem and there is hard evidence to support this. One cannot simply claim: "It's just something you are making up." and then ignore the facts."

The entire reason the monolith failed in the first place was because Fiona was distracted and Miranda had to use more power to finish the task. The forces were not in harmony and balance. Eventually this was taken advantage of and the monolith was broken. We need to all collective work together as do the sisters in order to seal the monolith perfectly. To ensure that both light and dark are in unity and balance in this task. There is no alternative.

P.S. Mr. Brand. Actually through Visagalis's experiments and actions resulted in the direct catalyst for the cause of Good and Evil. So much so that even his High Priest oversaw the birth and subsequent raising of his "daughters."

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04 May 2016 23:06 #78 by Caldor Eirson
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Cyfihi,

Fiona saved a life. That is not the wrong choice. It wasn't then. It wouldn't be now. If what you say about Miranda doing more is true, which I doubt, perhaps this could have been avoided if Miranda had taken time to help Fiona heal. If Miranda, like you, could not see that, then I am further convinced it is not the right path to take.

And before anyone throws the question at me, yes, I am involved in discussions for other options, and have been asked not to place them on this wall.

Its interesting you bring up the common folk. Those of the light do listen to the common folk. We listen, and help them overcome their suffering. It you, and according to your story those who follow the example of Miranda, who ignore the suffering of others for what you consider the more important task at hand.

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04 May 2016 23:34 #79 by Templar Aldric
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Sir Cypher,

It does not take looking out a window to realize that Fiona walking Arawyn without Miranda is upsetting the balance. That is not the contention. If you have read my posts, I am not arguing against freeing Miranda. I am trying to hold people accountable, both Light and Dark, for arguing pointlessly. Cyfihi, has been abrasive and rude, not against the Law I know, but we dont need this right now. As for Angeliana she has already been held accountable and will be escorted to Sir Pluvious.

Perhaps instead of continuing the argument, something more constructive may be done, like imparting the knowledge you profess to have to those of us who will be serving the Kingdom and the world shortly? I am particularly interested in hearing about what must be done to free Miranda, and what we know of how and why she was imprisoned.

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05 May 2016 00:00 #80 by Cyfihi
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That is knowledge we learned before fighting Balfurous, December of 1214. What do you want me to do, destroy the Baron's books to tear out pages for your viewing pleasure?

Your bias is clear. You will not believe a word written by my hand. How just and fair of you, Templar. There is no use to me copying those passages here, because you will just stamp your feet and whine that I am "being rude" by spreading the truth. If I seem abrasive it is only because I am tired of repeating myself, only to be ignored because my blood runs Black and I wield Frost in my claws, when I am apparently one of the only people to have educated myself on the situation. Open a book, listen to the people, it is all there, and you are all closing your eyes and ears to it because it is not what you want to be true.

Ask Fiona yourself if you don't believe me - but apparently you don't believe her, either, as she quite literally said she needed her sister and most of you are refusing her.

The swamp lord answered half of those questions days ago, but you probably didn't read it, as you were too busy pointlessly arguing.

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05 May 2016 00:03 #81 by Gallion
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Subjects of Travance,

We can end all conversations about treason because there will be none. We are facing very trying and very telling times, and for us to fight each other is irresponsible and benefits no man, woman or child; no race, creed or culture; no force for good and no force for evil. All words spoken in passion up until this point shall be forgiven, for we are all fighting for the same survival, and we would do well to pause and remember that.

We have gotten to this point to no ones fault. Some force or greater being has decided that our time with this world is done, and we are speaking out that they are wrong, and that we will not comply with this imposed fate. Since the moment that we have known, all of you have tried your best. The solutions that we are working towards now are not because of a lack of thought or effort, they are simply the best possible course of action discovered in the incredibly small amount of time that we have had to react to it and try to stop it. If any other ideas are being thought of, then bring them to me in person as soon as possible. I will make myself available during this month’s baronial feast.

I am not particularly a being of good or evil, but my beliefs lean far more heavily towards good. While I do not seek to serve Fiona, I am inclined to believe that her words are likely truthful. If she is either physically or metaphysically the force of good, then I am inclined to believe that her intentions are probably good. None of us decided that Miranda was needed, it was Fiona who did, and so while I trust that the greater force of good is likely right, like you, I want answers first. I don’t want answers from Miranda’s followers, or from those who think or claim to be experts. I want answers from Fiona. If she is truly the greater force of good, then she will understand why we all take great pause to this course of action, and she will take the time to explain to us in great detail why we should do as she asks, and what short term and long term effects it will have on the world on the weave and on us. Only after she has answered all of these questions to our satisfaction, will we entertain assisting her in this.

I too have noticed irregularities in the world. I have been under the assumption that they were connected to the null and the possibility of the world ending.

There are two things that we need to focus on. One is following the plans that the Baron has laid out; reaching out to the civilizations of the world for their help in leading the nulls back to Travance. The other is that we must seek out Fiona, have her return to us in person to talk with us so that she can give us the answers that we need before we can decide on how to proceed.

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06 May 2016 08:56 #82 by Caldor Eirson
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Count,

Do you know what time you will be available? There are many things being scheduled this moon, and it would be unfortunate if someone missed the opportunity to discuss with you by accident.

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