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03 Apr 2019 20:21 - 05 Apr 2019 19:08 #1 by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios)
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I believe that magic and possession may be present within the people of power of the Empire of Kormyre.

Formerly, I was the personal physician to Magister Melentres. I was unaware of anything that may have happened concerning immoral deeds or actions.

I’m curious to discover what is the truth pertaining to the actual involvement of such people, the Chancelor, The Duke, and the Magister.

I suggest we do what we can to understand the necessary truth of the situation before acting in any way we shouldn’t.

Maybe they’re innocent to whatever has controlled them.

What can we do?


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03 Apr 2019 21:26 #2 by Jenn Cutter (Jenn)
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Dr. Willowyn,

I am certain that a great number of Travancian researchers will be working to learn more about this situation in the coming months, I know that I certainly will be.

But we do not have the luxury of waiting to know more about the situation before we act. This is war; a war that we did not start or ask for. We will not allow the subjects of Kormyre to continue to suffer as they currently are. We will fight for them, regardless of who or what is in charge in the Empire.

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04 Apr 2019 02:18 #3 by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios)
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Dr. Selby,

I believe that we should save everyone from danger and death, including the leadership that may be being controlled.

What can we do to accomplish this?

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04 Apr 2019 03:39 #4 by Django (Topgunwov)
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Dr. Willowyn,

While I do not presume to know the full situation within the Empire, and while there may be some who are indeed being controlled, I would make the humble suggestion to you to not get your hopes up.

While some of those on the other side may be taking action under direct control of their minds and wills, many more are most likely acting out of either ignorance, loyalty to their masters, or simply out of what we might consider as "evil intent". While it is clear that there is some sort of darker influence over the minds of some on the other side, I highly doubt that influence is solely responsible for the actions of all who take up arms or speak words against us. War is rarely so neat and tidy, and humanity is hardly ever so innocent of darker intent, especially amongst those in positions of power. I would prepare for the eventuality that either A. They are not being controlled but are acting under the same sense of honor and justice that fuels our own actions, B. That they are truly morally reprehensible and must be dealt with as enemies, or C. That they truly are under the control of a foreign entity but nevertheless, due to time constraints or inability to release them from this control, they still must be dealt with swiftly and brutally in the manner of an enemy.

Like I previously mentioned, I do not know the full situation on the opposite side of our war, and I am as in the dark as most of our own, but take this warning as simple advice from someone who has seen what humanity is capable of and what must be done in times of crisis.

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04 Apr 2019 09:55 #5 by Chris D (Brogan)
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From what I have read and hear the advisor is a powerful warlock and seated member of the Council. I will be investigating if this is a sole act of a sole warlock or if the council as a whole is behind this. Once I have my answers I will let Travance's Nobles know. I will warn that witch hunters should stay out of this investigation. Your actions could sway other members of the Council to side with the enemy if this is not handles properly.

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04 Apr 2019 12:43 - 04 Apr 2019 15:10 #6 by Midori Suarez (krykit)
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Doctor,

While your hope is admirable, based on what I have seen with my own two eyes, it is the people you speak of saving who are doing the controlling rather than being controlled. With the possible exception of the Duke himself, but even he did not have the same vacant expression as the other kind control victims to my observation. But Chancellor Enzarond and his brother, the Magister, are the monsters who are robbing others of their free will. They are NOT the victims, I assure you.

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05 Apr 2019 07:28 - 05 Apr 2019 07:30 #7 by Ilana Darkwood (Ilana_Darkwood)
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Just killing someone or something is a terrible waste of an asset anyways. Though, it sounds like death may be a common solution in these parts.

There is more than enough things to test that a friend does not need to be on the other end of. Especially this symbiote. Something like that does not usually walk around in a physical form I am told. I would suggest using that advantage and trapping it in a light box or something. We have some time to figure it out.

How many more of these things are on this council? I wonder what other things they can do.

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05 Apr 2019 19:05 - 05 Apr 2019 19:07 #8 by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios)
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Django & All,

If there are people who are innocent we shouldn’t kill them.

I advise all to read Jackdaw’s posting on the board. The people are being controlled via symbiote, if I’m not mistaken.

His post may specifically say that the goal is to control all of the citizens of the Empire of Kormyre.

Personally, I have perhaps seen many people at Grimwyr who were controlled by a magic that has been produced by a person who is perhaps possessed by a symbiote.

Maybe the entire council of true warlocks are innocent people who controlled by the symbiote.

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05 Apr 2019 20:01 #9 by Gabriel Chance (Kiellor)
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You don't get to be an innocent and true warlock. You have to willingly take the creature into you.

Stop your foolish pacifism, this is war and there will be dead. Your former Lord Chancellor will be among them.

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05 Apr 2019 20:12 - 05 Apr 2019 20:13 #10 by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios)
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Perhaps a citizen of Travance has told me that there has been an individual that, very recently, was controlled by a symbiote but was freed of it. He was and innocent Quinarian man.

If this is true then perhaps there could be other innocent, unwilling people who are currently controlled by the symbiote.

The symbiote or the controller of the symbiote seems to be intelligent with choosing their targets.
Maybe it's not by chance that the Duke and / or the Chancellor was infected by the symbiote.

Perhaps they were chosen.


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05 Apr 2019 20:20 #11 by Nadia (ChristineR)
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If I had to guess, that man was not innocent, but made a poor choice.
I have read that diary before when a friend showed me, he willingly took it in.

It is impossible to let one in without agreeing to the arrangement.
If I also recall that man killed many people, it is by this Town's judgement of the situation as a whole that he received another chance.

I am sure that this Lord Chancellor, who advised the Duke to his current actions, starting this war in general is not so deserving of a second chance.

True Warlocks and their Symbiote's are horrific creatures worth of utter destruction.

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05 Apr 2019 20:43 - 05 Apr 2019 20:44 #12 by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios)
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Perhaps a citizen of Travance has told me that there has been an individual that, very recently, was controlled by a symbiote but was free'd of it. He was and innocent Quinarian man.

If this is true then perhaps there could be other innocent, unwilling people who are currently controlled by the symbiote.

The symbiote or the controller of the symbiote seems to be intelligent with choosing their targets.
Maybe it's not by chance that the Duke and / or the Chancellor was infected by the symbiote.

Perhaps they were chosen.


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05 Apr 2019 21:01 #13 by Caelvan (Caelvan)
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Yes. They were chosen. Those who accept these things are usually in their worst.
However, willingly accepting a demon into you is an evil act and no longer makes you innocent. True Warlocks are horrible. Ask a Belemont. I can point you in the direction of at least 3.

Marika Del Dragon Laurent-Belmont
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Lady Kliedin Weaveforger Laurent-Belmont.

Talk to them before continuing down this path of stupidity and ignorance.

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05 Apr 2019 21:02 #14 by Gabriel Chance (Kiellor)
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And usually I'm the one causing the double up.

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05 Apr 2019 21:11 - 05 Apr 2019 22:54 #15 by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios)
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If the Quinarian man was innocent and didn't accept the symbiote yet was still possessed by it then maybe the duke and Chancellor could be innocent.

I'm not sure if you read all of my posts, Caelvan.
I suggest you do.

Gabriel,

What did you mean?


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05 Apr 2019 21:18 #16 by Gabriel Chance (Kiellor)
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I will spell this out slowly, and with tiny words.


He.


Did.


Accept.


The.


Symbiote.

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05 Apr 2019 21:20 #17 by Moostrav Potrevski ()
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How would you even know of this? That wasn't written on the boards anywhere we can see, nor where you in town. It seems unreasonable you would know this without some unseen means. Even if you had a contact, this is something from last month, didn't you just arrive?

You would need to assume a LOT from the little tidbits that are barley quantifiable as information, and go as far as to read through our forms as son as you got here. Are you a Tamarian spy?

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05 Apr 2019 22:02 #18 by Midori Suarez (krykit)
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Dear Mr. Dr. Willowyn,

I understand not wanting to waste lives. I do. Life is a very precious thing. The man you're talking about though...the true warlock who we were able to save...just like the others, he chose to host the symbiote, which means he was not innocent. He did something very bad, which led him to do other very very very very very very bad things. The difference is that he then chose to be saved from the symbiote for the sake of his wife. And now he has to live with all of the terrible things he's done. Luckily, he has her to support him, but he has a lot to answer for, both to the world and to himself. That is why we were able to help him: the desire to change. Mr. Ranior had a reason to want to change. He had the desire to do it, and he knew that what he had done was terrible, and he regretted it.

I never met your duke or your magister or your chancellor. I barely even know what those words mean. But the question is, do they want to change? Do they regret the bad things they've done? If they do, then maybe there is something you can do, but you cannot force people to be what they don't want to be. You can't make them do anything they don't want to do - at least not without magic, which wouldn't really be saving them - and if there is nothing there to make them want to fix what they've done, then what is there to do but protect the people who are actually innocent whom they are hurting?

I'm not saying we must kill them. I'm not saying we must not. I don't know enough about what's happening to say one way or the other. But my teacher taught me that I must first show compassion to the innocent, then to my allies, and then to my enemies. If spending time trying to change the minds of the true warlocks means that more innocent people get hurt, killed, or worse - stripped of free will - then they have to be stopped.

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05 Apr 2019 22:53 #19 by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios)
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Gabriel,
Maybe he didn't.

Moostrav,
I've perhaps been in Travance for almost 7 days.
If you believe that word isn't shared then maybe you're wrong.


Midori,
It may be true that the Quinarian man was not willing but was possessed by the symbiote,
and if that's true maybe that proves that someone doesn't need to be willing to be possessed.

This can mean that others possessed by the symbiote are innocent.
We should discover the truth.


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05 Apr 2019 23:32 - 06 Apr 2019 21:51 #20 by Gabriel Chance (Kiellor)
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You have the truth, written in front of you, by people who are intimately familiar with the creatures and beings at hand.

You must willingly succumb to the creature. That is it, full stop. They willingly chose that path.

There are no maybe's or perhap's. This is a stone cold fact and if I had the inclination to care for your education, or the time I would take you through time and show you these moments. But frankly I can't be bothered for one, and for two it's not my place to interfere with their choices and life decisions that's on them.

So, please stop arguing when those with full knowledge of a situation are telling you how things are. All you do is make yourself look a fool by being unable to determine fact from fiction.

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05 Apr 2019 23:48 - 05 Apr 2019 23:52 #21 by Moostrav Potrevski ()
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Where you the town fool?
You attempt to attest certainties.
Absolutely no one is in agreement with you.
You babbling, cackling, canary of a fool.
Your points are erroneous,
Your parsimonious with your claims that life can be harmonious....

Absolutely and resoundingly no,
Cut your tongue,
We hope you bleed a thousand eternities,
These are not words we utter meagerly.

Do you not understand that with every soul you attempt to help,
You murder thousands more with aneurysms.
An aneurysms is when your brain stops working, because it is so high strung on the thought of some putrid laps in logic.
You lack the ability to understand that things are not presumptuous or possible just because you allude to the probable,
no,
You are simply wrong in the statement of claiming it could be,
There is no save in heading arguments with maybe.
Maybe, just maybe you should stop.

Inhale,

Now breath out,

Take time to consider your words, we must.
I sit here and have to reason with I constantly, and I have to interject just to get some quiet, but then I "Oh hi" slip in little words of encouragement,
and I simply discourage,
but you see I and I crave the murder.

Writing is simple, It's speaking for fools,
Telling is heretical,
You abuse this tool and should be banned,

For with every word you write we get closer to letting them take over. Every letter is a omen, every drop of ink is a disaster.
As your tongue begins to flicker at a thought of a word; I, I, I, and I would encourage you bite down with all of your might.

and we would as well but they won't get us arrested for their words.

Don't you dare correct a soul, you have no place to think.

There isn't even a point in us insulting you, you wouldn't comprehend it.
We're not even trying to at this point.

We're just waiting for the mob to form at your unfortunate magister's doorstep. Screams are so calming when the echo.

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05 Apr 2019 23:59 - 06 Apr 2019 00:00 #22 by Caelvan (Caelvan)
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I've reread all your posts and they are filled with maybe and perhaps.
They are filled with the same message over and over... Maybe the person possessed is innocent.
You have been told by not less than three people that, in order to become one with a True Warlock you must be WILLING. You must WILLINGLY agree to host a demon in you. If you truly think that a person can be innocent after that, I would like to know who you think is not an innocent person.

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06 Apr 2019 00:21 - 06 Apr 2019 00:22 #23 by Liz (Liz)
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I don't really know who you are- I avoided you in the care of the Magister/Mayor/Whatever title you humans gave that man. What I do know is that the Duke, himself, actually showed some version of... compassion? Hesitation to kill? I guess that's morality or what have you. But from what I've been told, if you are willing to use "Evil Forces" to get what you want, then you are "immoral." Not to mention, if you claim he is ignorant, why in all of the Gods' names would we want him in a position of power?

The Chancellor? Did. Not. He did, in fact, ORDER the Duke to kill Sir Tristram. He did, in fact, control the Duke from the sidelines. He caused the Goblinoid General to be knelt at the Duke's feet in a show of force. He did, in fact, cause us to lose our homes. My river. Your house. Your family if you had one. Were you complicit in this? Or do you just not care? Even I, a nyad, can care that my river is gone- polluted by the Evil the Chancellor was spreading.

Stop this. Listen to these people- who we came to in order to get protection and knowledge.

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06 Apr 2019 02:47 #24 by Midori Suarez (krykit)
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Mr. Dr. Willowyn,

No. I'm sorry. I know how badly you want to hope that the people you knew wouldn't do something like that, but the truth of the matter is they did. Mr. Ranior willingly accepted the symbiote. There is no "maybe he didn't. I saw it in his journal. She tricked him and lied to him and manipulated him, yes, but at the end of the day, he still said yes. He said "It was scaled in my favor, I'm certain due to her desperation. So I accepted."

I don't want to tell you not to believe in the people you knew, or not to continue to see the good in people around you. I don't want you to stop trying to save people whenever you can. But not at the cost of more lives. Be very, very careful, and remember that compassion should be shown first to the innocent. These people made choices, and if they are to be saved like Ranior, they have to first regret their choices enough to make better ones. You cannot make them do that. They have to do want it for themselves like Mr. Ranior did. If they don't, then like I said before, they need to be stopped.

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06 Apr 2019 03:03 #25 by Grimkjell Eirson (BillHannings)
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Hjolda.

Midori has said what I might, were I a more eloquent man.

The only thing now left to them is the exorcism of steel, and should they ask for it, Mercy, in the end.

But they must ask for it to be given in this case. The maleficarum does not excuse their choices and deeds beforehand, though. Justice should be done here, with a mind towards justice, and not revenge. We have a future to build and whatever candidate does ascend to the throne in the end, we should have set them a good example.

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06 Apr 2019 03:13 - 06 Apr 2019 03:15 #26 by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios)
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Moostrov,
the only thing I'll say to you violence is wrong and I wish you the best.
May you learn the lessons you should learn.

Gabriel,
More proof is required to cause me to believe. They could be innocent and for their lives I will not be swayed.

The symbiote is perhaps intelligent.

The symbiote could have written the journal while the person was possessed to hide the innocence of the host so that he's killed without question because maybe if he was to be questioned he may confess his innocence and the symbiote would then be discovered as able to occupy beings without consent and maybe other things.

We should consider this and proceed accordingly.

Also, a Quinarian has been possessed by a symbiote and became a true warlock all without consent, if I'm not mistaken. Perhaps that indicates that others possessed may be innocent.

Caelvan,
maybe the symbiote gave willing permission and not the host body.

Grimkjell,
we perhaps expect surrender or request for mercy from beings that may not care much about their host.
Magic exists, we should research ways to discover the suggested.
I hope we set the example for the next exemplifiers.

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06 Apr 2019 03:18 - 06 Apr 2019 03:19 #27 by Caelvan (Caelvan)
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You seem to have a misunderstanding of what a symbiote is in regards to the True Warlocks.

The HOST body MUST say YES to the symbiote for it to possess them.

That is how True Warlocks work.

I'll say it one more time. The HOST body is the one that MUST say YES for them to become a True Warlock.

Please educate yourself and seek out one of the three people that I mentioned above. They are experts on this particular topic.

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06 Apr 2019 03:46 #28 by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios)
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You should consider that you may be wrong.

A Quinarian man was possessed unwillingly.
So, you don't have to say yes.
It can happen without consent.

Do you understand me?
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06 Apr 2019 03:56 #29 by Liz (Liz)
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I am completely lost here. What Quinarian man? The only "Quinarian man" I've read about in this compilation of writings is a man who absolutely, unequivocally said yes. Being manipulated doesn't mean he didn't consent. If someone manipulates you into buying a set of clothes you really don't need, you can't say you were stolen from later. You said yes to the purchase. He said yes to the.... possession? Symbiote? Whatever a true warlock does. So no- so far, unless I've missed someone in this mass amounts of parchment, no one has been possessed unwillingly. Stop just believing what you want to believe when as far as I know, no one really knew what a true warlock was until we realized there was one running about slaughtering us all and taking over our minds (on second thought- is there a way to see if this Doctor's mind has been affected? He was very close to the Magister who was helping plan the ritual to take us all over.)

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06 Apr 2019 04:14 #30 by Moostrav Potrevski ()
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We would like to take an ice pick to him and see what we could find at this point. He seem's against Travance as a whole.

We go to lengths to stay within you bloody laws here,

This man sits here and calls for aid of our enemies.

Why not just kill him? From the sounds of things the only one whom would miss him would be the Magister.

I am done being corrected, next this buffoon tries we will correct the placement of his head.

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